Zach Cochran, Vice President of Operations at The Gospel Coalition, joins Phil and Tyler to discuss his transition from executive pastor to nonprofit second-chair leadership, the importance of operational leaders in the church, and TGC’s work helping Christians navigate artificial intelligence.
He also shares practical wisdom for XPs considering a ministry transition and explains why healthy church leadership often requires patience with the slow, relational nature of ministry.
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💻The Gospel Coalition Articles
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CHAPTERS
[02:00] – Zach’s Journey from College Athletics to Ministry Operations
[05:12] – Sojourn, Multisite Ministry, and the Executive Pastor Role
[06:52] – Moving from Executive Pastor to TGC
[12:15] – Inside The Gospel Coalition’s Ministry and Resources
[15:00] – AI, Theology, and the Church
[21:28] – What XPs Should Know Before Changing Roles
[27:00] – Unifying the Church and Equipping Pastors
[30:12] – Resources for Executive Pastors and Second-Chair Leaders
[32:24] – AI, “Slop Scanning,” and Closing Thoughts
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