Backstage Pastors Episode 8: How To Be Second w/ Nathan Young and Dave Hartman

In this episode of the Backstage Pastors™️ Podcast, Phil Taylor and Tyler Drewitz welcome Nathan Young and Dave Hartman, co-authors of How to Be Second to discuss the identity, strengths, and challenges of second-chair leadership. The conversation explores why some leaders are uniquely wired for supporting roles, how executive pastors and operational leaders thrive, and why being second is not a stepping stone but a meaningful destination.

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Guest Mentioned

🗣️Follow David – https://www.linkedin.com/in/david-hartman-ph-d/

🗣️Follow Nathan – https://www.linkedin.com/in/nathan-s-young/

📕How to Be Second by Nathan Young and Dave Hartman – https://howtobesecond.com/book/

💻How to Be Second website: https://howtobesecond.com

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CHAPTERS

[01:31] Phil’s Upcoming Church Projects and Travel

[03:31] Introducing How to Be Second

[06:00] Why Nathan and Dave Wrote the Book

[10:00] Discovering the Identity of Second-Chair Leaders

[17:17] The Difference Between “2s” and “2ICs”

[24:23] Who the Book Is Really For

[29:48] Imposter Syndrome and “Knowing What 10 Is”

[33:07] What They Would Add to the Book Today

[39:39] Final Encouragement and Resources

Editing and Support by The Good Podcast Co.